Continuing to look at Raine Millers statement that the Messiah only suffered a few hours and couldn't qualify as the person in Isaiah 53, I wanted to look at the whipping
prior to crucifixion of Christ.
In his book 'Resurrection Factor' Josh McDowell says, "Death by crucifixion developed
into one of the world's most disgraceful and cruel methods of torture. Cicero calls it 'the most cruel and hideous tortures.'
Will Durant wrote that 'even the Romans...pitied the victims.' ...After the verdict of crucifixion had been pronounced by
the court, it was customary to tie the accused to a post at the tribunal. The criminal was stripped of his clothes, then severely
whipped by the lictors or scourgers. The whip known as the flagrum, had a sturdy handle to which were attached long leather
thongs of varying lengths. Sharp jagged pieces of bone and lead were woven into them. The Jews were limited by their law to
40 lashes. the Pharisees with their emphasis on strict adherance to the law would limit their lashes to 39, so that if they
miscounted they would not break their law. The Romans could totally ignore the Jewish limitation, and probably did so in the
case of Jesus. Dr. C. Truman Davis, a medical doctor who has meticulously studied crucifixion from a medical perspective,
describes the effects of the Roman flagrum used in whipping: 'The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again
across [a person's] shoulders, back and legs. At first the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. then as the blows continue,
they cut deeper into the subcutaneous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin,
and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles. the small balls of lead first produce large,
deep bruises which are broken open by subsequent blows. Finally the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire
area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. When it is determined by the centurion in charge that the prisoner
is near death, the beating is finally stopped. " (The Resurrection Factor, McDowell, pg. 42,43)
More on this later...
Raine:
Also not one day of his life was he sick, even in his death. To be "acquainted with
illness" doesn’t mean he’s like a doctor/healer who sees illnesses and heals them. The flow of the whole statement
in 53:3 points to the idea that the servant himself should be experiencing the illness HIMSELF. The nation of Israel could
be seen as being ill at times in a figurative sense (which is how this whole section should be seen), dealing with attacks
of sin from within and persecution from without.
Article refuting Raine:
"Where did this "Leper Messiah" idea come from? This odd concept must have arisen
from the rabbis as they struggled with Isaiah 53. They either saw the Messiah's sufferings as leprosy or split the Messiah
in two, one a sufferer and one a conqueror. (See the section on the "Two-Messiahs" theory.) The Hebrew words in Isaiah 53:4,
stricken (nagua) and smitten (mukkay) are interpreted as referring to a leprous condition. Either word can refer to
being stricken with a disease, yet they need not be understood in that way, much like our English work "stricken" can refer
to stricken with disease or just simply stricken, as with a fist. Either way, Jesus was stricken. He was certainly made sick
by the Roman floggings and beatings and the tortuous ordeal of crucifixion. He was certainly stricken with the Roman lash.
As a leper was despised and rejected of men, so also was the Messiah despised and rejected. And still today there are many
who see Jesus as being as repugnant as leprosy and his followers as those who should be isolated and shunned.
To the followers of the Suffering One, his afflictions, described in Isaiah 53, are
the agonies of one dying to provide atonement. The lamb being led to slaughter envisioned by Isaiah is described as one punished
in the place of his people. Jesus, the true Messiah, came as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." His crucifixion
provided a substitutionary sacrifice adequate to fulfill the punishment we all deserve. Let us praise the God of Israel, our
Redeemer, who has provided his Messiah to take the just punishment for his people so that we might be forgiven our sins!"
Notice what Raine does, she translates this verse a specific way and then says that
Jesus never had a literal illness but then only figuratively applies it to Israel.
"The nation of Israel could be seen as being ill at times in a figurative sense."
Raine
Sounds like a double standard to me.
â ðÄáÀæÆä åÇçÂãÇì
àÄéùÑÄéí, àÄéùÑ îÇëÀàÉáåÉú åÄéãåÌòÇ çÉìÄé; åÌëÀîÇñÀúÌÅø ôÌÈðÄéí îÄîÌÆðÌåÌ, ðÄáÀæÆä åÀìÉà çÂùÑÇáÀðËäåÌ. 3 He was despised,
and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised,
and we esteemed him not.
(Hebrew Bible)
Messiah's familiarity with disease is taking on the sin of mankind and its results.
By His stripes we are healed. (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 3:18)
ã àÈëÅï çÃìÈéÅðåÌ
äåÌà ðÈùÒÈà, åÌîÇëÀàÉáÅéðåÌ ñÀáÈìÈí; åÇàÂðÇçÀðåÌ çÂùÑÇáÀðËäåÌ, ðÈâåÌòÇ îËëÌÅä àÁìÉäÄéí åÌîÀòËðÌÆä. 4 Surely our diseases he
did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. (Hebrew Bible, Isaiah
53)
How has Israel's suffering produced healing for us?
It hasn't!!!
In fact Israel's suffering has been the result of its sin according to the Old Testament.
Michael Esses a former Rabbi says this of Jesus' sufferings: "If you check with a
medical doctor, he will tell you there are thirty nine major illnesses that can kill mankind. And those stripes on the back
of Jesus Christ healed every major illness of mankind. and I say, 'Praise God that He took those stripes upon himself, that
I don't have to bear them, that He bore them for me." (Jesus in Genesis, pg. 51, Esses)
Now I'm not sure of the disease count but I know that the stripes Jesus bore were
for me, and in my place, and surely my 'diseases he did bear' and only by accepting this sacrifice for me do I have hope of
eternal life with Him.
BJ Maxwell 4/07/2006
Continuing my refutations of Raine Millers commentary on Isaiah 53:
Raine says:
"When Israel bore their sins that means that Israel bore their bad actions, the blunt
of their sinful actions, the way their persecuted Israel when it was YHWH who had done this for Israel’s discipline,
not for the nations to take it upon themselves to join in on the "whoop-ass", the beatings. Israel was stricken BECAUSE OF
the sins, transgressions, and iniquities of the nations who had taken it captive. The servant of YHWH was not stricken FOR
(as in, in the place of) the sins of the nations. The Hebrew says "BECAUSE OF" not "for" or "in the place of". But through
the persecution, the nations would be healed by learning about the Deity of the Israelites, YHWH. It’s amazing that
through the exile, the punishment of Israel, the knowledge of YHWH spread throughout the pagan world, and through the redemption
of Israel, the nations would see who really is the Deity of the whole world.
BJ:
This doesn't work with the rest of this chapter. There are places in the OT where
the sacrifice of the innocent lamb, servant is an atonement 'for sins' not just the result of.
When the Old Covenant speaks of a lamb offering it is:
1) Without blemish
`If his offering `is' a burnt-offering out of the herd -- a male, a perfect one,
he doth bring near, unto the opening of the tent of meeting he doth bring it near, at his pleasure, before Jehovah; (Leviticus
1:3)
"Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month
every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household
is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according
to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth
day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. And they shall take
some of the blood and put it on the two doorpost...So you shall eat it in haste.
It is the LORD'S Passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the
land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. Now the blood
shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt." (Exodus
12:1-14)
a) Notice who is killing the lamb without blemish
b) Notice how the blood is to be put on the doorposts
7 Get rid of the old hametz, so that you can be a new batch of dough, because
in reality you are unleavened. For our Pesach lamb, the Messiah, has been sacrificed. 8 So let
us celebrate the Seder not with leftover hametz, the hametz of wickedness and evil, but with the matzah of purity and truth.
(1 Corinthians 5, The Complete Jewish Bible)
Can you see the cross in this picture?
c) The lamb is satisfying God so that the angel of death will 'Pass-over' their houses
and spare them.
1) Here belief that this sacrifice is 'in place of' them, spares them.
2) Taking action, killing the lamb and putting its blood on the doorposts results
in being spared.
This is why Isaiah refers to a innocent 'lamb', when speaking of Messiah.
2) The person spoken of here that
bears the sins of many is 'in place of' just like a lamb sacrifice in scripture.
The verses are these:
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and
YHWH hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.
Here we, are the sinful sheep and Isaiah includes himself. This is contrasted
to 'made to light on him'
The iniquity of us is the iniquity of us all, specifically Israel.
Raine's bait and switch here of making it the kings and Gentiles speaking here is
utterly ridiculous.
"In Isaiah 53:1-9, there is a clear distinction in pronouns. The speakers uniformly
identify themselves in the first person plural (we, us and our), while the Servant is consistently described in the third
person singular (he, him and his). Isaiah the prophet, a Jew, in speaking of himself and his own nation Israel, uses the pronouns
we, us and our. He describes the Servant as someone other than himself and his people in using the pronouns he, him and his.
Since the speakers are plainly Isaiah's people Israel (we), the Servant whom they describe (he) must be someone other than
Israel. They both cannot be Israel."
Israel has never borne the sins of the nations in a sacrificial kind of way.
It has suffered because of its own sins.
The lamb in Isaiah 53 is without blemish.
Israel wouldn't even qualify, because a lamb must be without blemish and they certainly
are not: ד הוֹי גּוֹי
חֹטֵא, עַם כֶּבֶד עָוֹן--זֶרַע
מְרֵעִים, בָּנִים מַשְׁחִיתִים;
עָזְבוּ אֶת-יְהוָה, נִאֲצוּ
אֶת-קְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל--נָזֹרוּ
אָחוֹר. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evil-doers, children
that deal corruptly; they have forsaken the LORD, they have contemned the Holy One of Israel, they are turned away backward.
(Hebrew Bible Isaiah 1)
Look at the following verses, all of which are in chapter 53 which describe an atonement...in
place of....ד אָכֵן
חֳלָיֵנוּ הוּא נָשָׂא,
וּמַכְאֹבֵינוּ סְבָלָם;
וַאֲנַחְנוּ חֲשַׁבְנֻהוּ,
נָגוּעַ מֻכֵּה אֱלֹהִים
וּמְעֻנֶּה. 4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains
he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and
afflictedה וְהוּא
מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ,
מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲוֹנֹתֵינוּ;
מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו,
וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא-לָנוּ.
5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. ו
כֻּלָּנוּ כַּצֹּאן תָּעִינוּ,
אִישׁ לְדַרְכּוֹ פָּנִינוּ;
וַיהוָה הִפְגִּיעַ בּוֹ,
אֵת עֲוֹן כֻּלָּנוּ.
6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity
of us all. ז נִגַּשׂ וְהוּא
נַעֲנֶה, וְלֹא יִפְתַּח-פִּיו,
כַּשֶּׂה לַטֶּבַח יוּבָל,
וּכְרָחֵל לִפְנֵי גֹזְזֶיהָ
נֶאֱלָמָה; וְלֹא יִפְתַּח,
פִּיו. 7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that
is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth.
These verses repeat the substitutionary atonement of this innocent servant/lamb, which
has already been shown not to be Israel.
Israel is represented by: 'our diseases'..., 'our pains'...'our transgressions', 'our
iniquities'..., 'the iniquity of us all'.
Notice the pronouns used here.
And because of this he was 'wounded', 'crushed',
Notice the pronoun used here.
The Hebrew bible even goes on to say: ח מֵעֹצֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט
לֻקָּח, וְאֶת-דּוֹרוֹ
מִי יְשׂוֹחֵחַ: כִּי
נִגְזַר מֵאֶרֶץ חַיִּים,
מִפֶּשַׁע עַמִּי נֶגַע
לָמוֹ. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason?
for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.
'My people' is Israel.
Here it says that the stroke was due Israel, but this servant took it.
This chapter is filled with statement after statement of a sacrifice and vicarious
atonement/In place of.
How anyone can overlook all these verses is beyond me.
Here is more: יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה
יִשְׂבָּע--בְּדַעְתּוֹ
יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי,
לָרַבִּים; וַעֲוֹנֹתָם,
הוּא יִסְבֹּל. 11 Of the travail of his soul he shall
see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities
he did bear. יב לָכֵן אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ
בָרַבִּים, וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים
יְחַלֵּק שָׁלָל, תַּחַת
אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת
נַפְשׁוֹ, וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים
נִמְנָה; וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים
נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים
יַפְגִּיעַ. {פ} 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion
among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with
the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the
transgressors. {P}
Raine should look at all the words that define this sacrifice.
She should look at: 'For'; 'Because of', 'Bear', 'Bore',
AND with his stripes we are healed. Here the result of his stripes is healing for us, so no one can justifiably say that his wounds
aren't vicarious and redemptive.
Keywords in this chapter are:
For
Because of
Because of doesn't cancel For.
In the Hebrew
Bear
Bore,
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin (KJV vv 12)
to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, (Hebrew Bible)
Raine:
All of the nations were doing their own thing, and in the exile, the Israelites would
have to go through a lot of punishment, both from YHWH and from the iniquities of man.
Bj:
Israel was doing its own thing. ד הוֹי גּוֹי חֹטֵא,
עַם כֶּבֶד עָוֹן--זֶרַע
מְרֵעִים, בָּנִים מַשְׁחִיתִים;
עָזְבוּ אֶת-יְהוָה, נִאֲצוּ
אֶת-קְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל--נָזֹרוּ
אָחוֹר. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evil-doers, children
that deal corruptly; they have forsaken the LORD, they have contemned the Holy One of Israel, they are turned away backward.
(Hebrew Bible Isaiah 1)
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth;
as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened
not his mouth."
Raine:
"Understand that the Torah, the books of Moshe, NEVER prescribe human sacrifice. The
idea of someone dying for (in the place of) the sins of another is foreign to the Torah concept of individual and collective
responsibility for sin (Deut 24:16; Ezek 18:20). YHWH put his servant through all that stress so the servant would return
to him in fullness. So Yeshua has nothing to do with this, even though some bibles mistranslate the verse to try to promote
a vicarious sacrifice.
BJ:
:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
travail – `amal –
toil, trouble, labor, as a woman in labor.
soul – nephesh –
soul, self, life
shall be satisfied –
saba` – to be satisfied, be sated, be fulfilled
God would see the suffering of Jesus and be "satisfied" that the requirements that
our sins be paid for would be "satisfied".
For among the first things I passed on to you was what I also received, namely this:
the Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; 4 and he
was buried; and he was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; 5 and
he was seen by Kefa, then by the Twelve; 6 and afterwards he was seen by more than five hundred brothers
at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, though some have died. (1 Corinthians 15)
BJ Maxwell 4/10/2006
This is especially relevant seeing that Passover is this
week.
Why is this so important?
Because Philip, Paul, Peter and John all referred to Isaiah 53 as pertaining to Jesus.
This prophecy is in context, and this fact has disarmed the unbelievers that say that
OT prophecies concerning the coming of Jesus are out of context.
If you don't see the contrast between unbelieving, sinful Israel and the innocent Lamb
of God, the Messiah, in this chapter then try posting messages about the Suffering Servant, Jesus in an unbelieving Jewish
Group and the contrast will become crystal clear.
We Christians are presently fortunate that there is a distance between us and the ones
we are communicating these truths to or stoning might be a reality for us.
Watching the New Series, the Ten Commandments Pt. 1, it looks like a pretty good representation.
However, a few details are inaccurate.
One being what Moses did each time he went before Pharaoh.
Also they seemed to present the plagues as a kind of domino effect where one was the
result of the other, rather than each being straight from God.
They also showed the first passover, though I personally think that the whole lintel
and sideposts weren't smeared with blood.
The lamb was sacrificed and its blood put on the lintel above the door and the two sideposts.
This was a shadow of the eternal sacrifice of the Lamb prophesied in Isaiah 53.
ז וְלָקְחוּ,
מִן-הַדָּם, וְנָתְנוּ
עַל-שְׁתֵּי הַמְּזוּזֹת,
וְעַל-הַמַּשְׁקוֹף--עַל,
הַבָּתִּים, אֲשֶׁר-יֹאכְלוּ
אֹתוֹ, בָּהֶם. 7 And they shall take of the blood, and put
it on the two side-posts and on the lintel, upon the houses wherein they shall eat it. (Exodus 12, Hebrew Bible)
ז נִגַּשׂ
וְהוּא נַעֲנֶה, וְלֹא
יִפְתַּח-פִּיו, כַּשֶּׂה
לַטֶּבַח יוּבָל, וּכְרָחֵל
לִפְנֵי גֹזְזֶיהָ נֶאֱלָמָה;
וְלֹא יִפְתַּח, פִּיו.
7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth. (Isaiah 53)
Lamb: A Young Sheep...a gentle or innocent person...(Websters New World College Dictionary)
The Lamb of God is truly righteous and innocent and is contrasted to unbelieving sinful
Israel in Isaiah 53.
"Twice John pointed Jesus out as the lamb of God (John 1:29, 36), In Acts 8:32 and 1
Peter 1: 19 he is compared to the spotless lamb by whose patient suffering and vicarious dying his people are redeemed. The
term roots in the OT, in the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 (cf. Jeremiah 11:19); in the paschal lamb (cf. 1 Cor. 5:7; John
19:36); and in the daily offering of lambs in the temple. God provides the lamb (cf. Genesis 22:8 ), to take upon himself,
to bear in in his own body on the tree (1 Pet. 2:24; Isa. 53: 4,6); that is, to make propitiation, to overcome and to take
away the sins of the world. (1 John 4:10; 3:5; 1:7). The Lord laid on him, as the suffering servant, the iniquity of us all.
As the passover lamb, he redeemed all the Israel of God from the bondage of sin and Satan. Because he loves us, he gave himself
up as a sacrifice to God for us. (Eph. 5:2). Using a variant Greek word, arnion, Revelation describes the heavenly Lord twenty
eight times as the lamb. On the one hand, he is fully identified with the lamb that was slain in sacrifice, whose blood expiates
the sins of the redeemed (5:6,9,12; 7:14; 12:11; 13:8).
On the other hand, he is also the lamb who has overcome death and received the horns
of power and the eyes of the Spirit (5:6), so that he opens the seals to administer the heavenly counsels (5:7); he brings
those written in his book to salvation (7:9, 17; 13:8; 14:1; 21:27); he conquers the powers of Satan (17:14); and he visits
upon the impenitent hte wrath of the lamb (6:16; 14:10). Triumphantly enthroned with God, he is the Lord of lords and King
of kings (17:14; 19:16), who receives divine worship and reigns forever (22:1,3; 11:15) " (Bakers Dictionary of Theology,
Lamb)
Israel is being contrasted to the Lamb in Isaiah 53 and Israel is still in unbelief.
In the end 'they will look upon him whom they have pierced.' and 'thrust through' (Zechariah; John 19; Romans 1126ff)
י וְשָׁפַכְתִּי
עַל-בֵּית דָּוִיד וְעַל
יוֹשֵׁב יְרוּשָׁלִַם,
רוּחַ חֵן וְתַחֲנוּנִים,
וְהִבִּיטוּ אֵלַי, אֵת
אֲשֶׁר-דָּקָרוּ; וְסָפְדוּ
עָלָיו, כְּמִסְפֵּד
עַל-הַיָּחִיד, וְהָמֵר
עָלָיו, כְּהָמֵר עַל-הַבְּכוֹר.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication;
and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through;
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born. (Zechariah 12, Hebrew Bible)
ח וְאָכְלוּ
אֶת-הַבָּשָׂר, בַּלַּיְלָה
הַזֶּה: צְלִי-אֵשׁ וּמַצּוֹת,
עַל-מְרֹרִים יֹאכְלֻהוּ.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and
unleavened bread; with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
..
מו בְּבַיִת
אֶחָד יֵאָכֵל, לֹא-תוֹצִיא
מִן-הַבַּיִת מִן-הַבָּשָׂר
חוּצָה; וְעֶצֶם, לֹא תִשְׁבְּרוּ-בוֹ.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth aught of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall
ye break a bone thereof. (Exodus 12, The First Passover, Hebrew Bible)
יב לֹא-יַשְׁאִירוּ
מִמֶּנּוּ עַד-בֹּקֶר,
וְעֶצֶם לֹא יִשְׁבְּרוּ-בוֹ;
כְּכָל-חֻקַּת הַפֶּסַח,
יַעֲשׂוּ אֹתוֹ. 12 they shall leave none of
it unto the morning, nor break a bone thereof; according to all
the statute of the passover they shall keep it. (Numbers 9:12)
34 howbeit one of the soldiers with a spear
pierced his side, and straightway there came out blood and water. 35 And he that hath seen hath borne witness, and his witness is true: and he knoweth that he saith true,
that ye also may believe. 36 For these things came to pass, that the scripture might
be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. (John 19: ASV
10 and I will pour out on the house of David
and on those living in Yerushalayim a spirit of grace and prayer; and they will look to me, whom they pierced." They will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son; they
will be in bitterness on his behalf like the bitterness for a firstborn son. (Zechariah
12; The Complete Jewish Bible)
BJ Maxwell 04/11/2006
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