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It seems that the only way one can keep from being accused of racism, antisemitism or discrimination when making factually negative statements about a group of people is when they are of that selfsame group.

For example only Blacks can criticise blacks, Jews, Jews, etc.

However it seems that whites and Christians are the only group that can be criticised by all and not be called on it.

So the following is what Jews have said about Jews.

Don't worry this criticism leads to Godly conclusions.

Did the Jews Kill Jesus, according to Jews.

1) The Jews Crucified Jesus

The Jews Own record says, "What doest thou here, Elijah? 10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and SLAIN THY PROPHETS WITH THE SWORD; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away." (1 Kings 19)

Karaite Jews have argued with me that this passage is referring to the slaying of the prophets of Baal, but it clearly says that 'the children of Israel' did these things to 'THY' (The Lord's) prophets, except for Elijah and this is Elijah's response to the Lords Question to him.

It was typical for Jews to kill prophets that God sent to them, we will find out that it is no different in their relation to Jesus.

The New Covenant also written by God through Jews says:

"He came unto HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him NOT." (John 1)

"His own" is the House of Israel and "received him not" is unbelief and crucifixion at the hands of the Jews.

Clearly Jesus said that the ones that he was going to was the House of Israel, not the Gentiles (Matthew 10:5ff)

Next:

"...36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ... " (Acts 2)

The Gentiles were already guilty, the Jews needed to see their guilt and that in this regard there was no difference between them and the Nations/Heathen/Gentiles.

Here it says that the House of Israel crucified Jesus.

Next,

1 Thess. 2:15 says: "14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have SUFFERED LIKE THINGS OF YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN, even as they have OF THE JEWS: 15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, AND THEIR OWN PROPHETS, and HAVE PERSECUTED US; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."

Pretty clear here that the Jews crucified Jesus, his prophets and have persecuted Christians.

But rather than point out the antichristian behaviour of the Jews, even evident in this passage, we only notice what we perceive as antisemitic remarks.

2) God Predetermined it:

The Jews Own book says: "Who hath believed our report and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. ...But he was wounded for/Because of our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin" (Isaiah 53)

This was stated many years before the crucifixion of Christ.

The NT confirms that this is speaking of the suffering servant/Jesus. Read Acts eight.

Later:

Peter when speaking to the 'House of Israel' says: "36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. " (Acts 2)

a) If you don't believe that Peter is talking only to Israel about Israel in Acts Two...' then you are obligated to believe that baptism is necessary for salvation for all, and the Holy Spirit cannot come until one repents AND is baptised.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their (Israel's) heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

The promise to all here is the Holy Spirit, though the Gentiles didn't have to be baptized to get the Holy Spirit.

Compare this passage to Acts 10:44-48

A particular United Pentecostal group received some flack for advertising on their sign that the Jews crucified Jesus.

Typically this church has been known for its contentious way of presenting their version of the gospel.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6203-.html

I have encountered them on the streets while evangelizing and know how abrasive they can be.

"This anti-Semitic message is un-Christian, and it is a sin," said Michael Walker, senior pastor at Church in the City. 'That is false Christianity on that sign."

"About 200 people later marched outside the church in protest, including Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney. They held signs that read, "God killed Jesus."

The first message was posted on the opening day for Mel Gibson’s "The Passion of the Christ," a film labeled anti-Semitic by some for its portrayal of Jewish leaders calling for the execution of Jesus."

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/template/Article.html/id/18431

Unfortunately, this contentious group, inappropriately is called the 'Lovingway' and also rejects the Trinity.

I'm beginning to see more and more that those that reject the Trinity also reject other important biblical doctrines as a result.

Its funny that many Christians see the sign as antisemitic but don't see the 'Passion of the Christ' as anti semitic.

Go figure!

I don't think the movie or the gospel accounts as being antisemitic.

However, there are legitimate reasons I won't ever pay to see the Mel Gibson movie.

See: Five Reasons not to see the Passion of the Christ

http://www.providencepca.com/essays/passion.html

However, if 'Lovingway'/United Pentecostals really believed this passage in Acts Two, that says the Jews crucified Jesus, then they ought to also recognize that this was addressed to the House of Israel. But instead they apply that passage to Non Jews like themselves when they quote ' Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

These requirements were given to the Jews of that era that crucified Jesus, not us.

For them the cross was as condemnation: 'whom you crucified'

Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles later says:

"18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but UNTO US which are saved it is THE POWER OF GOD." (1 Corinthians 1:18)

4) So That the Fulness of the Gentiles and the mysteries could come in.

"25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of THIS MYSTERY, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11)

The ultimate and foundational mystery is Christ (1 Timothy 3:16). Whenever 'God and man meet there is a mystery.' (Jesus Christ the God Man, the book.)

All the other mysteries are related to and based on this.

See: The Mysteries Revealed

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id51.html

The union of God and Man in Christ Jesus, the union of Christ and the Church (now and at the rapture), Jew and Gentile, Man and Wife, are all called mysteries. (1 Tim. 3:16; Ephesians 5:32; Romans 11:26;1 Thess. 4:16,17)

These unions/mysteries are not about all distinctions disappearing, that would be Hinduism.

Rick Joyner, who doesn't always stay on tract seems to get it right
this time when he says:

"'Here we see that neither Jew nor Gentile can fulfill their ultimate purpose without each other. We also see that neither will fulfill their destinies unless they remain distinct. As stated, the way that we become one in marriage is not by trying to make the woman into a man, or the man into a woman, but by the two distinctly different genders uniting in a common purpose. Because of this, it is essential for the church to recognize, honor, and help preserve the unique identity of the Messianic Movement, and vice versa. Both need to be influenced by the other, but neither should try to absorb the other.'"

Read my message entitled: Oneness

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id14.html

It was the blindness of Israel and their crucifixion of Christ that brought this age of mysteries in.

See: Wanna Know Some Secrets:

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id58.html

5) So He could have mercy on all:

"32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." (Romans 11)

"46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:46ff)

Here is the turning point from 'To the Jew first' to whosoever will because 'ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God' (Romans 1:16;Romans 3)

The first Three chapters of Romans coincides with Acts 13:46ff and Romans 11:32

6) Group Think would still be justified.

If we were still obligated to go to the 'Jew First' as Paul starts Romans with (Romans 1:16), and still to only go to the 'Lost Sheep of the House of Israel' as Jesus commanded his disciples, and it wasn't the Jews who rejected and crucified Jesus, (Matthew 10:5ff) then Group Think would be justified today.

The command to go to the Jew first wasn't just a geographical consideration but a salvation consideration.

The Jews had to demonstrate that they were 'unworthy of everlasting life' before Paul could go to the Gentiles. (Acts 13:46ff)

Many are still practicing Group Think in their churches.

Separate ministry to Unwed mothers, separate ministry to teens, separate ministry to street people....when these folks do not need elitist types ministering to them they need to be taught how to minister to each other and those unlike them.

That is what the body of Christ is all about. (1 Corinthians 12; Ephesians 4)

See: Small Groups or the Purpose Driven Church

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id21.html

Obviously, something had to happen so that the gospel would go to all, indiscriminately.

It did

The Jews Own book says:

"But he was wounded FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was bruised for OUR INIQUITIES: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 ALL we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the INIQUITY OF US ALL." (Isaiah 53)

Paul a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin says:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon ALL them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3)

All have sinned but the Jews needed an eternal reminder of this with the crucifixion of Jesus.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.(John 8)

"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." (Matthew 3:9)

"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: " (Romans 11)

We are too quick to call things racist or antisemitic in overcompensating for the evils of the past.

Pastor Gordon of the Lovingway Church speaking of their sign said, ""It would be hateful if it pointed at anybody alive today. But this has been part of the record of 2,000 years."

But is that even correct?

When the end comes the House of Israel will still be considered the ones that crucified Jesus.

If you don't agree then take it up with God and the Jews that reported and recorded God's words.

"And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart." (Zechariah 12)

God has a plan for the nation of Israel in the future and they will be fulfilled not because of Israel's faithfulness but because of Gods. (Ezekiel 36)

BJ Maxwell       10/8/2005

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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