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Christianity Under Fire

Pantribulationism: Blessed Hope and Glorious Appearing
Study In Acts
Jesus In Genesis
Behemoth, Leviathan And Dragons, Oh My!
The Foolish Man's Guide To Confounding The Wise
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Group Think Or Whosoever Will Pt. 3
Paul's Purpose At Athens: Becoming All Things To All People
Personhood And Free Will
Scriptures Calvinist's Misinterpret
Resistance Is Futile!
You're a Hopeless Replacement Theologian If You:
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
You Know You're a Preterist if: Part 2
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Ultra Dispensationalism: Scriptural or Not?
Group Think or Whosoever Will?
Chronological Chart of New Testament
You Might Be A Closet Dispie If:
Body of Christ versus Israel
The Mark of the Beast: Is it Literal?
You Know You're A Preterist If:
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The Comings of Christ: The How, When and Where
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Transubstantiation or Unsubstantiated: If The Plain Sense Makes Sense...
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Isaiah 53: Human Sacrifice?
Isaiah 53: Christ Has Risen!!
Who Hath Believed Our Report?
Isaiah 53: Christ Our Passover Lamb
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Chart comparing Israel to Messiah
Isaiah 53: The Suffering Messiah
Bible Chart: Does the Bible conflict on Salvation Messages?
Christs Coming and Time Gaps
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When Did the Church Begin?
When Did the Church Begin Pt. 2
Is America Cursed?
How and Why Christianity is Under Fire
Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
Tribulation or Jacob's Trouble?
Jewish Wannabes and the Holidays
Christmas Under Fire: When Christians Attack
Is Celebrating Christmas Scriptural?
Was Iraq a Just War?
Category 7: The End of the World
If It Believes, Then Waddles and Quacks like a Christian it is a....
Why Homosexuality Should Be Confronted and Exposed
The Doctrine Of Eternal Security-Can You Lose Your Salvation?
Does the Soul Sleep?
Did Jews Kill Jesus?...Hear What Some Jews Have to Say
Some Unscriptural Teachings of the Catholic Church
Arguments That Catholics Use
Pantribulationism: Are There Two Programs Going On?
Before and After
Pantribulationism: What A Day That Will Be!!!!
Definite Article Theology: The Way
Pantribulationism: Extrabiblical Nonsense
My Old Ship, the USS Shreveport Assisting Hurricane Victims
Pantribulationism: Should I Stay or Should I Go?
Trinity of God and Trichotomy of man: Definite Article Theology
Definite Article Theology
Pantribulationism: Blessed Hope and Glorious Appearing
Pantribulationism: The Departure
Pantribulationism: It will all pan out in the end
Straining Out Gnats, Majoring on the Minors
Jewish Wannabes and Eschaholics
When Jewish Wannabes Attack What They Don't Understand
How Jewish Wannabes Attack and How to Identify Them
Historical Method and Homosexuality
If the Plain Sense Makes Sense: Christ's Coming
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The Silliness of Jack Chick
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Let's Worship the Lord
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When Jewish Wannabes Attack the Bible
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Preterism Versus Dispensationalism
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Before I am done I will show that it is futile for pretribbers or posttribbers to argue such minor issues and should rather concentrate on making sure that the pretribbers or the posttribbers that they are teaming up, to oppose those with different end time views, actually know the Lord and know who He is, which is the GREAT GOD AND SAVIOUR, spoken of in this same verse.

I wanted to look at where it says, "Looking for THAT BLESSED HOPE, and THE GLORIOUS APPEARING of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." , and though I don't spend a lot of time on this subject due to its relative unimportance in relation to the other teachings of scripture, it would be wrong for me not to completely examine this verse before I move on. (KJV)

Where this verse is in CAPS, the KJV gets it right.

They make it clear that 'That Blessed Hope' and 'The Glorious appearing' are seen as two separate events.

Though how and in what way separate we don't know, it could be a matter of minutes.

In a particular article I read on the web, the author wrongly said:

"Titus 2:13 is often used by pretribulationists to show that there is a difference (of time and objective) between what they refer to as "the Rapture" and "the Revelation of Christ."

The "blessed hope" and the "glorious appearing" are said to be two different events, or in effect, two distinct comings of Christ. For the pretribulationist, the "blessed hope" is seen as the Rapture, when Christ comes (secretly) "for" the saints at the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel while the "glorious appearing" is seen as Christ's physical return to earth "with" His saints at the end of the 70th week of Daniel, for the final judgment of the world and the setting up of the Millennial Kingdom on earth.

For the following reasons, this passage in Titus cannot support the notion that there are two comings (parousia) of Christ: one for the saints, the "blessed hope" and one for the world, "the appearing of the glory of... Christ Jesus."1. In Greek grammar, there is a rule known as Granville Sharp's rule, which says in simplified form that if two nouns of the same case are connected by the conjunction 'and' and if the definite article (the) is used preceding the first of the nouns and is not (necessarily) repeated before the second noun, the latter always relates to the same person or event described by the first noun as identical or at least similar.

By using Grandville Sharp's rule in Titus 2:13, we see that the "and" joins "the blessed hope" and "the appearing of our ... Savior, Christ Jesus". The meaning of the conjunction "and" may be translated "even" or "also". It is therefore to be understood that the two phrases are equal in relationship. In other words, they are not two completely different time and event references, rather, they are both speaking of an event that has a common referent or focal point.

A literal translation of Titus 2:13 would then be:

"...while we wait for the blessed hope even [the] glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,"


I am not here to show that pretribbers are right, only what posttribbers cannot use as arguments.

Before I am done I will show that it is futile for pretribbers or posttribbers to argue such minor issues and should rather concentrate on making sure that the pretribbers or the posttribbers that they are teaming up, to oppose those with different end time views, actually know the Lord and know who He is, which is the GREAT GOD AND SAVIOUR, spoken of in this same verse.

This authors conclusion on this passage is that, 'the latter always relates to the same person or event described by the first noun as identical or at least similar. '

First, Pretribbers don't think that the blessed hope and the glorious appearing aren't similar, just separated by time. The blessed hope is 'being gather to him' in the air and the glorious appearing/presence (parousia) is Christ continuing his descent to the Mount of Olives, according to most Pretribbers. (Acts 1:11; Zechariah 12-14)

However, this is not the main point.

This author says there is only one article for both , 'hope' and 'appearing', which is not the case. There are two definite articles, one before blessed hope and one before glorious that describes the presence/appearance.

What this guy must have done is look right before the words hope and appearance and not right before their modifier.

Greek is not constructed the same way English is.

This is the structure in the greek: "expecting (THE blessed hope) and (appearance of THE glory) of THE Great God and Saviour of us Christ Jesus."

Here blessed hope has the definite article 'THE' (tnv) before it and 'appearance of THE glory has the definite article (tns) before glory which modifies appearance/presence. So these events are somehow separate though there could very well be similarities.

It really depends on how the translators finally choose to rearrange this verse in english as to whether they make this one or two events.

I will talk more about this later.

While people are trying to use this as a defense of their particular eschatological view, they miss the rest of the verse which calls Christ the Great God and Saviour, using the same Granville Sharpe rule as mentioned in my previous message entitled, Refuting Error with 'The'.

Quickly, Christ is the Great God and Saviour because only one definite article is used for Great God and Saviour.

This is an essential of the faith because Christ is God and the Saviour.

It is important to note that scripture consistently connects Christ as God with his ability to save (Saviour).

Because if Christ was less than God then his sacrifice is not enough.

Look at cults and you will see that their distortion and perversion of who Christ is, results in a distortion of how we are to be saved.

The late Cult Expert Walter Martin said, "The person and the work of Christ is indeed the very foundation of Christian Faith. And if it is redefined and interpreted out of context and therefore contrary to its Biblical content, the whole message of the Gospel is radically altered, and its value correspondingly diminished." (The Kingdom of the Cults, Martin, pg. 335)

In scripture Christ's deity is connected with his sacrifice.

Look up: Hebrews 1:1-3 ; Colossians 1:13-20 ; Acts 20:28; Philippians 2:5-11; Revelation 1:7,8


BJ Maxwell