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It is important for any student of scripture to know the different aspects of the second coming of Christ.
 
This is not an argument for the timing of the rapture because the difference in timing between His second coming to the air and to earth could be a matter of minutes.
 
Just as there were two different comings though appearing to be one by OT prophets, (Isaiah 9:6,7; Zechariah 9:9,10) , so there will be different aspects to Christ's Second Coming.
 
 
There are also some differences between His 'transfiguration',  judicial coming in AD 70, and His coming in the future.
 
Skeptics make their judgments based on a superficial understanding of this subject.
 
I found a site where a skeptic actually called Jesus a liar.
 
http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/Second%20Coming%20stuff/Jesus_and_his_expired_prophecies.htm
 
The fact is this man doesn't know the scriptures very well and was looking for a contradiction under every rock rather than trying to understand Jesus' statements.
 
I came away with a new appreciation of the awesome God I serve.
 
I answer this skeptics objections and the objections of others down below.
 
"First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
 
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. " (2 Peter 3)
 
The Delay in his coming to earth is related to Israel's rejection of Messiah (Romans 11:25-27) and God's giving people more time to repent and believe in Jesus Christ/Messiah, though there are some things that have already happened in relation to his coming. (2 Peter 3)
 
Who Has Believed Our Report? (Isaiah 53:1)
 
Not many, including Israel.
 
Many people fail to understand that their are two programs spoken of in the NT.
 
Their confusion with Jesus' and the apostles statements is in regards to this.
 
The Chart below shows those two programs.
 
Believing and/or Unbelieving Israel
 
Body of Christ/Church
Prophecy
 
Prophecy is related to Israel
The Mysteries
Many scriptures in this column include 'be not ignorant' and/or 'mystery'.
The Mysteries are related to the Body of Christ/the Church (Colossians 1:26,27)
Nation/Group Think:
 
 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' (Matthew 10)
 
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. (Romans 1)
All lndividuals:
 
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: "'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Acts 13)
 
...to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3)
First Program and the twelve to the Jew
(Galatians 2:8,9)
Second Program and the apostle Paul to the All, including the Gentile. (Galatians 2:8,9)
Coming in his kingdom:
 
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. 1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? ...
 
The following verse in Malachi is speaking of Elijah coming before the coming of Christ. (Malachi 5:4)
 
The literal Elijah appeared with Moses at this transfiguration in Matthew 16.
 
Christ says that Elijah/John the Baptist did also come first,
 
Israel's rejection of John the Baptist made necessary the literal Elijah coming a second time and prior to the second coming of Christ to earth.  (Revelation 11:3 ff) 
 
Could the disciples' question here tells us that this event/transfiguration may be 'the kingdom of God'. (Luke 9)
and 'coming in of his kingdom' (Matt. 16), that Christ spoke about one chapter earlier.
 
You be the judge.
 
Could this be how 'some standing here' wouldn't taste death?
 
This coming can be either speaking of the Transfiguration or AD 70
 
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
 
John the baptist didn't restore all things because of the unbelief of Israel.
 
So there is more to come.
 
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
 
Matthew 16:27-17:13
 
Gospel of Reconciliation:
 
8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. (Galatians 2:8,9)
 
Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, 26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him-- 27 to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen. (Romans 16)
 
26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Colossians 1)
 
 
 
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household...(Ephesians 2)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Coming/Judgment in A.D. 70
 
20 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. (Israel)24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24
 
Speaking about Israel
 
Fulfilled AD 70
 
 
 
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part UNTIL the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. (Romans 11)
 
 
 
 
Delay of First Program and Coming to Earth
 
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
 
(Matthew 24:48)
Beginning of Second Program
 
 
 
 
Coming to Judge the Earth
 
 
25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
 
Also Acts 2:19 ff
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
... 32 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
 
This Generation is the Generation that sees these things. Context, context, context!!
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
Luke 21:25 ff 
Coming for Church in the Air
 
15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4)
 
We= 'who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord'
 
So he qualifies the 'we' as those that are still alive when Christ comes back.
 
Paul doesn't include himself unless that is when Christ comes back.
 
Rapture can happen at any time.
 
 
'at hand'
'time is near'
 
When one hears these words they need to consider:
 
1) Whether the context is speaking of AD 70, when some prophecies were fulfilled
 
OR
 
2) Whether the rejection of Israel caused a Delay in the prophetic program for Israel but the beginning of the Church Age.
 
One cannot consider the time statements regarding Christ's coming without also considering what He said regarding a Delay.
Coming to the Air
 
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. (1 Corinthians 15)
 
Coming to Earth
 
4 "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
 
5 Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. ...
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (Also check out Daniel 9:25-27)
 
Not fulfilled Yet
 
15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
 
Surpasses the Holocaust
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
 
24 "But in those days, following that distress, "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 26 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
... 30 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
 
This Generation is the Generation that sees these things.
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
Mark 13
The Delay: 
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(2 Peter 3; KJV)
 
 
 
 
 
14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: "Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
 
Fulfilled
 
Delay between verses eighteen and nineteen.
 
Insert 'Time of the Gentiles/Body of Christ Here.
 
 
19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.' (Acts 2)
 
 
 
 
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... 15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
..19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
 
Why Should Gentile Christians be concerned about whether their flight is on the Sabbath or not?
 
Obviously, this is speaking to believing and unbelieving Israel in the end.
 
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again.
 
Not Fulfilled Yet, this surpasses the Holocaust
 
...27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
 
 
This Coming Hasn't happened Yet
 
 
 
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
 
On the Clouds, not in the clouds-will be visible
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
 
.. this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
 
This Generation is the Generation that sees these things.
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
 
If the Son didn't even know, how could he predict his coming within forty years?
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
 
 
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
 
This is speaking of judgment not rapture.
 
40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
 
This is judgment, not the rapture
 
Rapture is in the right column
 
Not Fulfilled Yet
 
.. (Matthew 24)
 
 
 
 
 "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?" (Matthew 26)
 
I tell you what I think.
 
Anyone that thinks that this means he can only come during the lifetime of Caiaphas to make this true doesn't believe in the power of God.
 
Zechariah and Revelation One says:
 
"Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen."
 
"9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. 10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."
 
This means that the ones that crucified Jesus will see his coming again.
 
Does this mean that he should have come already or that He will resurrect those that pierced and thrust him through, so that they can see the Resurrected Lord.
 
Jesus did not say that he would return during Caiaphas' lifetime, he said that Caiaphas would see his coming...Big difference.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. 8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1)
 
Every Eye Shall See Him
 
Hasn't Happened Yet!
 
22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this."
Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Romans 11) 5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets." (Revelation 10; Daniel 12)
 
 
BJ Maxwell
06/23/2006

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